[OOTB-hive] Docker(/Kubernetes) - My ideas for potential work (re: Daren's mail)

Axel Faust axel.faust.g at googlemail.com
Mon Nov 26 08:43:42 GMT 2018

Hello Angel,

since you now are a partner, you may have some information I don't get
to see - but last time John Knowles was on IRC (~2 weeks ago) he
indicated that the next ACS Community release would be a GA, so ACS 6.1
would have a Community equivalent.

Regards, Axel

On 26/11/2018 09:36, Angel Borroy wrote:
> Nice idea, Axel.
> I’m open to collaborate, despite my basic skills on Docker, k8s and
> many other relevant software involved in the “new” Alfresco.
> Now that Alfresco is ignoring deliberatively the Community (ACS 6.1
> will be published without having a Community equivalent), it’s time to
> act. Probably providing a deployment and developing environment for
> everyone is the right approach.
> I’m not able to organise this initiative, but let me know if I can
> help in any way.
> Best,
> Angel Borroy
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> On 25 November 2018 at 22:57:06, Axel Faust
> (axel.faust.g at googlemail.com <mailto:axel.faust.g at googlemail.com>) wrote:
>> Hello guys,
>> TL;DR: Instead of revisiting our previous pre-bundled Community build
>> idea, maybe more short-term / easier to realize value could be gained by
>> collaborating on guides / documentation / examples regarding Docker
>> deployments to help community members make the switch, AND/OR create a
>> standard build setup (in lieu of an updated Alfresco SDK that may never
>> arrive) incorporating the new deployment approach and achieving full
>> compatibility with the most recent Alfresco releases.
>> This mail is a revisit of a mail Daren sent in the middle of the thread
>> for volunteers for the DevCon talk submission review ([1]). I don't know
>> how many actually read the mail considering the misleading subject line.
>> In it he asked if there is interest in revisiting our previous work
>> around a pre-bundled Alfresco Community build (at the time using puppet)
>> and maybe adapted / updating that to be in line with the current Docker
>> / Kubernetes approach.
>> In the last two months I have had the (dis-)pleasure to familiarize
>> myself with the current state of the Alfresco Docker and Helm charts /
>> Kubernetes work in preparation for a training at an Alfresco partner.
>> Anyone following me on Twitter might have seen a rant or two. It
>> certainly is not the most intuitive and not helped by the fact that
>> Alfresco tends to break stuff shortly after providing an initially
>> working state.
>> Given how tricky it can be for community members / customers to switch
>> over to the new approach without any prior experience, I would say that
>> any guides / documentation that we as the Order could collaboratively
>> put together would be much more valuable/needed at this point than
>> simply revisiting the pre-bundled build. As both the Docker Compose
>> scripts and Helm charts from Alfresco should only be considered as a
>> starting point / reference rather than a ready-to-use setup, we might
>> also want to look into providing improved variants for these (Helm may
>> be a lower priority as it/Kubernetes likely is not relevant for most
>> community users). I know that Angel has already done work in the area of
>> an improved compose reference ([2]) - maybe that could be a starting
>> point to flesh out / improve upon...
>> In my training I have also integrated the new Docker images as a runtime
>> environment for ("not-really-rapid") application development in my Maven
>> setup, and also used it for the integration tests therein. In another,
>> personal project I have started to use Docker containers even for my
>> regular unit tests.
>> Alfresco has still not released a SDK natively compatible with Alfresco
>> 6, and given their long-term goal of moving customers/users off of
>> in-process extensions may likely not provide an updated version anytime
>> soon. I know most people in the Order have sufficient skill to adapt the
>> current SDK to work with 6, but that is likely not true for most
>> community users out there. So maybe we as the Order should look into
>> providing a reference build setup of our own, using the new
>> incorporating the new Docker approach as best as possible. And maybe
>> such work will naturally lead us to general improvements / definition of
>> a base image e.g. with regards to image size, code+test round-trip time
>> etc...
>> Regards
>> Axel
>> [1]
>> http://lists.xtreamlab.net/pipermail/ootb-hive/2018-September/001028.html
>> [2] https://github.com/keensoft/docker-alfresco
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