[OOTB-hive] New communication platform for our community?

Wed Jul 27 18:30:13 BST 2016

Thanks all for my summary. I DEEPLY missed the VERY mandatory emojis... This is KEY ;)

More seriously, I belong to another groups of geeks (let's say). We started with Google groups to discuss. We wanted to change this to something different, that may be better, more usefull, etc...

We tested about 10 differents products during about 2 years. We weren't in a hurry, and we wanted a tool that match us. For some reason, slack entered in the new tool to test and... magic just happened, we just stick with it. No vote, no discussion, it seems just that most of the members started using it quite naturally.
It seems magical actually. We are all above 40 year old, we know IRC, but Slack just match the demand.
This didn't happened without some reluctance... One, may be 2, clearly said, they will stick to Google group, and not move to Slack. That was fine for us. Google group is still up (mostly for archives). -but I have to admit no one is posting there, even the 2 reluctants (which were more observer than active participant).

On a non free solution, I'm also involved in a swiss tech association, and we use Slack to communicate with the members, and Podio for the commitee, active members, etc... Podio is a professional tools between a professional Facebook and a Slack. May be a tool like this can be the one... Or not ?

I'm telling this story to say one thing :
- we don't need to hurry. May be Slack or Mattermost are the right answer, may be not.
- May be there's another tool we don't know yet which can be the answer.
- May be it's better to stick with what we have and may be a cleaning is necessary.
- We need to test many products before selecting one for good.

Suggestion:
Let's try Mattermost (if Martin is ok to use his instance? or someone else), for test, and see our needs. Create some channel, and let's use it.

Olivier

> Le 27 juil. 2016 à 14:33, Tahir Malik <tahir.malik at contezza.nl> a écrit :
> 
> I'm going to stop replying after this, cause it's getting repetitive.
> 
> I never and I don't think anyone did say to kill everything and put all our money on this new tool.
> Mailinglist won't be killed, it's probably still there and if needed to communicate about maybe the new Event we'll organize it's Cool!.
> 
> IRC will probably remain as well, cause Alfresco is still on IRC (I'm never there though).
> 
> You just set something up, it's probably 5 clicks and inviting the 30 members and you're done.
> Do a review after a month orso and if it sucks big time, you fall back or get another tool.
> 
> What we're missing is the incentive that everyone want's to go to something new.
> There is no need in putting in effort if not the majority is pleased with this step.
> 
> So my last line regarding this topic for let's say today :P.
> @board-members: can you all say something about it? Preferably with Yes/No or start a Vote so we can get past this phase? :)
> 
> From: Daniel Gradecak
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 2:12PM
> To: Tahir Malik
> Cc: Ootb-hive
> Subject: Re: [OOTB-hive] New communication platform for our community?
> Tahir, you have the point. However I wonder why we could not start integrating those bits with slack, instead of starting using it immediately. Step by step could be, add all channels to slack, configure slack to get the information from anywhere we want, and make it the single point of all the information and channels we are all using at this moment. Just talking out loud, might be something we could start with, and we keep the existing infrastructure as is. What do you think?
> 
> For my self I am using slack a lot for email communications, trello cards/tasks and some other tools, just that I have everything in a single place when I need to find something. I am not sure what kind of integration slack has with IRC but a simple search offers a couple of possibilities, however someone needs to investigate of course and cofnigure it. And to spice this thing up http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/03/24/slack-is-quietly-unintentionally-killing-irc/#gref <http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/03/24/slack-is-quietly-unintentionally-killing-irc/#gref>
> 
> On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Tahir Malik <tahir.malik at contezza.nl <mailto:tahir.malik at contezza.nl>> wrote:
> Because we're physically so far away from each other communication is key to make anything a success.
> And if your communication sucks then the result probably won't be as planned and people will engage less.
> 
> Same for this akward mailing list:
> Mail with subject: Re: [OOTB-hive] New communication platform for our community?
> Mail with subject: Re: [OOTB-hive] OOTB contribution issues
> Mail with subject: Re: [OOTB-hive] Slack
> 
> Wow and yes they all seem to be talking about the same subject...... and how is to blame? People who can't find their way on which topic is discussed where and have to read them all otherwise someone discussed something somewhere else he/she didn't read?
> 
> I hear this quite a lot, yes this/that has been discussed on IRC.
> So someone needs to go to IRC, to the archives find the discussion which can be discussed in different timelines and by different people and then respond to it in IRC or start a new mailing.
> Who un-controlled is this for our communication.
> 
> We are volunteers and If I need to spend more time to communicate in this community then at work & pesonal life, then Yes I will be less engaged in this. So the question is not why are people not engaged? Questions is why do we make it hard for people to engage.
> 
> Just some quick facts: 
> - average count on IRC whenever I logon 10 users
> - count of different users reply on mailinglist at least 20 users from the past 6 months (if I do a total of 2 years there are probably more)
> - users in the Order 30
> 
> So these facts clearly state the point I and some others are making.
> 
> I've got some ideas/projects to start with, but I'm not sure how to communicate efficiently with the users who might want to contribute.
> Efficiently is to add them on Skype and start discussing stuff instead of the current communication platform used.
> 
> From: Martin
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 10:47AM
> To: Ootb-hive
> Cc: 
> Subject: Re: [OOTB-hive] New communication platform for our community?
>>>  
>>> To be clear: I am not against changing the platform per-se. But I have strong reservations against doing something "for the heck of it" / "because X is cool" without tangible indicators / evidence that it's necessary / objectively benefits the Order or its role within the Community, especially if any effort could very well be spent on other activities with more direct results. 
>>  
>> +1 to this, I just thought I would try out mattermost since I had time to do so. 
>>  
>> As I mentioned in IRC to Olivier this morning, for me content previews etc from github gists or wherever is not compelling to me, however the ability to share files inside the communication application is a pretty good feature that is always really hard to get working in IRC, despite the protocols for it having been around since I've been using IRC (which is nearly 20 years now!)
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