[OOTB-hive] Use of / switch to Discord server?

Fri Sep 14 17:20:00 BST 2018

When I first heard that some folks were using Discord I tried to figure out
how to access it and was totally flummoxed. I couldn't find an invite link
and didn't want to bother anyone. I ended up giving up. If we were to
switch entirely to Discord, would people still need to hunt down an invite
link? How will the community figure out how to find us?

Is there a MacOS app for Discord (didn't see one in the app store) or must
I use yet another browser window to keep it open? (Slack has a nice desktop
app, for example).

It is frustrating to have to go create another account for another service
that I will only use for Alfresco stuff. Also, what's with the gamer
iconography everywhere? Strange!

IRC is free and open, has a variety of apps for all platforms, and does its
job sufficiently well. I didn't see any concerns about IRC that couldn't be
addressed. But, if we can't stay on IRC, and if we're going to move to a
non-open source product, why wouldn't we move to the one that everyone is
probably already using anyway: Slack.

Jeff

On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 6:11 AM Axel Faust <axel.faust.g at googlemail.com>
wrote:

> A quick follow up: To show that the Discord server is still in evaluation
> and even I have yet to learn more about it, I accidentally included the
> wrong invite link in my last email. If you want to check out the Discord
> server, please use https://discord.gg/wEvSqDG instead.
>
> On 14/09/2018 13:07, Axel Faust wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> in his last mail to this list, Younes has mentioned that we as the Board
> have been looking into improvements of the internal communication. One
> aspect of this is that we have setup a Discord "server" for the Order of
> the Bee, created various rooms and played with / implemented some
> integrations. All of this was done as an evaluation or at least an interim
> solution (with regards to how the new Board communicates among its
> members), but with this email I want to start the discussion about this
> potentially becoming a permanent solution.
>
> Now, some of you may ask "Why Discord?" and "Don't we already have an IRC
> channel?" / "What about our Mattermost (https://chat.orderofthebee.org)
> server?". So let me give some arguments on why we have looked at Discord:
>
>    - In IRC we currently have one public channel on freenode. Some of the
>    discussions (especially among the board members) may not fit in that
>    central, public space. Having the ability to host multiple channels was
>    also a reason behind the 2016/2017 trial of using Mattermost. This is also
>    true for Discord, though other than in Mattermost there is no additional /
>    superfluous concept of teams that separates the channels and you don't need
>    to explicitly add/join to channels, so accessibility-wise it feels to be
>    slightly better.
>    - Using Mattermost requires us to run and maintain our own service on
>    our infrastructure. Since we currently have infrastructure sponsored by
>    Magenta Apps, the cost is not the main concern here, but the available
>    resources in terms of people in charge of administration / maintenance.
>    This was initially covered by the INFRA committee composed of Marsbard,
>    Daren, Lanre, and Heiko. But as most of our committees, the level of
>    activity has approached near zero over time. As the board, we felt it would
>    be better to rely on a free, hosted solution to reduce our internal effort
>    / dependencies, and allow any renewed activities in the INFRA committee (or
>    any successor team / constellation) to be focused on more productive tasks.
>    - Our internal Mattermost server has seen no activity since the
>    2016/2017 trials, and even then the interaction was extremely light.
>    - We recognize that Discord is not open source as opposed to
>    Mattermost. Still, it is a platform with a proven track record among open
>    source communities, has a - in my eyes so far - mostly fair and transparent
>    business practice, and - most essentially - provides unlimited chat history
>    in the free tier.
>    - A significant portion of the #alfresco IRC channel members have made
>    the switch to a Alfresco Discord "server" created by Bhagyas Silva, which
>    may at some time in the future be designated the official community channel
>    by Alfresco. By having our own Discord server, we make it easier for
>    members of #alfresco to engage in our organisation as well, without
>    requiring separate credentials on a disconnected system.
>
> Currently we have the following channels on Discord:
>
>    - #general: the main channel, synchronized with IRC via a bot, so that
>    we can keep the IRC channel alive without cutting anyone off
>    - #github-updates: collecting notifications from GitHub about events
>    on any repository in the OrderOfTheBee GitHub organisation
>    - #board: a private channel for members of the board to discuss /
>    organise their activities
>    - #support-tools: a channel dedicated to the OOTBee support tools
>    addon, which may obsolete / succeed the previously separate Gitter channel
>    (a custom integration with GitHub events provides the same type of
>    notifications we had in Gitter)
>    - #alfresco-irc-bridge: a read-only channel dedicated to keeping a
>    complete history of #alfresco on IRC (chat.alfresco.com runs on a
>    private server of Richard Esplin and may stop to work at any time when
>    alfbot breaks or Alfresco demands the server be shut down / moved to a
>    different name)
>
> There are also a couple of channels for specific tests that may come and
> go, i.e. a bridge to the Alfresco-internal Slack system to allow for
> interaction with Alfresco staff.
>
>
> TL;DR: We have set up a Discord server for evaluation (
> https://discord.gg/kbPSjum), I outlined the reasons why we chose it and
> what channels we currently have, and we want to know your opinions on this
> subject before we call for a vote on making it "official".
>
>
> Regards and my apologies for not being able to write a shorter mail...
>
> Axel
>
>
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