[OOTB-hive] Docker(/Kubernetes) - My ideas for potential work (re: Daren's mail)
Axel Faust
axel.faust.g at googlemail.com
Mon Nov 26 12:14:12 GMT 2018
This is only using a test / RC (release candidate) state of 6.1 EE - if
you look in artifacts.alfresco.com (I can via one of my customers)
you'll see there is no EE GA yet.
Haven't we all learned by now not to trust Alfresco marketing (e.g.
what's written on the homepage) when it comes to 100% correctly /
transparently representing facts? CE vs EE comparison has been
(naturally) biased forever, and since Alfresco was planning a marketing
push for November it is also understandable that they might want to
highlight the next release, even if it may not yet be fully ready...
Of course as always, advance / roadmap communication by Alfresco could
be better to avoid any such confusion.
On 26/11/2018 12:56, Angel Borroy wrote:
> At least, in my case, comes from here:
>
>
> This looks like a public ACS EE 6.1 release...
>
> Angel Borroy
> keen*soft *a *UST **Global *company
>
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> On 26 November 2018 at 12:54:48, Ole Hejlskov (ole at phpfreak.dk
> <mailto:ole at phpfreak.dk>) wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I’m not sure where the confusion started, but I’ve just verified
>> internally that ACS 6.1 has entered the regression testing phase.
>> Once this completes there will be a ACS 6.1 GA release for Community,
>> followed by 6.1 EE. The only thing that isn’t clear to me at this
>> stage, is wether 6.1 EE comes before 6.1 CE (GA) or vice-versa.
>>
>> Hope this clears things up.
>>
>> /Ole
>>
>>> On 26 Nov 2018, at 11.33, Francesco Corti <fcorti at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:fcorti at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Good morning guys,
>>>
>>> I'm afraid there is something to adjust.
>>> ACS 6.1 Community Edition won't be a GA release.
>>> I think John mentioned the EE release (that will be GA by default).
>>> Just a heads up.
>>> In every case, the initiative continue to be a good idea.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> -F
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Il giorno lun 26 nov 2018 alle ore 10:29 Angel Borroy
>>> <angel.borroy at keensoft.es <mailto:angel.borroy at keensoft.es>> ha scritto:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Sorry for being so vague. I have no more information than you,
>>> as UST Global is not still an Alfresco partner. We are applying
>>> from June but it looks like Alfresco has plenty of skilled
>>> partners in Spain and there is no room for one more. Two weeks
>>> ago I started an Enterprise project in collaboration with a
>>> local partner, as Alfresco forbid UST Global to work with
>>> Community (despite we are not partners nowadays). I’m starting
>>> to be very concerned about Alfresco Sales ecosystem, but
>>> probably it’s only my pov.
>>>
>>> Anyway, you are right, John Knowles said that they will publish
>>> an ACS Community release in GA status. But, afaik, this is the
>>> first Community release released after the Enterprise one. Error
>>> or strategy? Who knows…
>>>
>>> Let’s focus on this initiative and let’s keep apart all my bad
>>> feelings about the life in general.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Angel Borroy
>>> keen*soft *a *UST **Global *company
>>>
>>> email: angel.borroy at keensoft.es <mailto:angel.borroy at keensoft.es>
>>> web: http://www.keensoft.es <http://www.keensoft.es/>
>>> móvil: +34 655 47 47 55
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>>> On 26 November 2018 at 09:43:45, Axel Faust
>>> (axel.faust.g at googlemail.com
>>> <mailto:axel.faust.g at googlemail.com>) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Angel,
>>>>
>>>> since you now are a partner, you may have some information I
>>>> don't get to see - but last time John Knowles was on IRC (~2
>>>> weeks ago) he indicated that the next ACS Community release
>>>> would be a GA, so ACS 6.1 would have a Community equivalent.
>>>>
>>>> Regards, Axel
>>>>
>>>> On 26/11/2018 09:36, Angel Borroy wrote:
>>>>> Nice idea, Axel.
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m open to collaborate, despite my basic skills on Docker,
>>>>> k8s and many other relevant software involved in the “new”
>>>>> Alfresco.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now that Alfresco is ignoring deliberatively the Community
>>>>> (ACS 6.1 will be published without having a Community
>>>>> equivalent), it’s time to act. Probably providing a deployment
>>>>> and developing environment for everyone is the right approach.
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m not able to organise this initiative, but let me know if I
>>>>> can help in any way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Angel Borroy
>>>>> keen*soft *a *UST **Global *company
>>>>>
>>>>> email: angel.borroy at keensoft.es
>>>>> <mailto:angel.borroy at keensoft.es>
>>>>> web: http://www.keensoft.es <http://www.keensoft.es/>
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>>>>> On 25 November 2018 at 22:57:06, Axel Faust
>>>>> (axel.faust.g at googlemail.com
>>>>> <mailto:axel.faust.g at googlemail.com>) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello guys,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TL;DR: Instead of revisiting our previous pre-bundled
>>>>>> Community build
>>>>>> idea, maybe more short-term / easier to realize value could
>>>>>> be gained by
>>>>>> collaborating on guides / documentation / examples regarding
>>>>>> Docker
>>>>>> deployments to help community members make the switch, AND/OR
>>>>>> create a
>>>>>> standard build setup (in lieu of an updated Alfresco SDK that
>>>>>> may never
>>>>>> arrive) incorporating the new deployment approach and
>>>>>> achieving full
>>>>>> compatibility with the most recent Alfresco releases.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This mail is a revisit of a mail Daren sent in the middle of
>>>>>> the thread
>>>>>> for volunteers for the DevCon talk submission review ([1]). I
>>>>>> don't know
>>>>>> how many actually read the mail considering the misleading
>>>>>> subject line.
>>>>>> In it he asked if there is interest in revisiting our
>>>>>> previous work
>>>>>> around a pre-bundled Alfresco Community build (at the time
>>>>>> using puppet)
>>>>>> and maybe adapted / updating that to be in line with the
>>>>>> current Docker
>>>>>> / Kubernetes approach.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the last two months I have had the (dis-)pleasure to
>>>>>> familiarize
>>>>>> myself with the current state of the Alfresco Docker and Helm
>>>>>> charts /
>>>>>> Kubernetes work in preparation for a training at an Alfresco
>>>>>> partner.
>>>>>> Anyone following me on Twitter might have seen a rant or two. It
>>>>>> certainly is not the most intuitive and not helped by the
>>>>>> fact that
>>>>>> Alfresco tends to break stuff shortly after providing an
>>>>>> initially
>>>>>> working state.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Given how tricky it can be for community members / customers
>>>>>> to switch
>>>>>> over to the new approach without any prior experience, I
>>>>>> would say that
>>>>>> any guides / documentation that we as the Order could
>>>>>> collaboratively
>>>>>> put together would be much more valuable/needed at this point
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> simply revisiting the pre-bundled build. As both the Docker
>>>>>> Compose
>>>>>> scripts and Helm charts from Alfresco should only be
>>>>>> considered as a
>>>>>> starting point / reference rather than a ready-to-use setup,
>>>>>> we might
>>>>>> also want to look into providing improved variants for these
>>>>>> (Helm may
>>>>>> be a lower priority as it/Kubernetes likely is not relevant
>>>>>> for most
>>>>>> community users). I know that Angel has already done work in
>>>>>> the area of
>>>>>> an improved compose reference ([2]) - maybe that could be a
>>>>>> starting
>>>>>> point to flesh out / improve upon...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my training I have also integrated the new Docker images
>>>>>> as a runtime
>>>>>> environment for ("not-really-rapid") application development
>>>>>> in my Maven
>>>>>> setup, and also used it for the integration tests therein. In
>>>>>> another,
>>>>>> personal project I have started to use Docker containers even
>>>>>> for my
>>>>>> regular unit tests.
>>>>>> Alfresco has still not released a SDK natively compatible
>>>>>> with Alfresco
>>>>>> 6, and given their long-term goal of moving customers/users
>>>>>> off of
>>>>>> in-process extensions may likely not provide an updated
>>>>>> version anytime
>>>>>> soon. I know most people in the Order have sufficient skill
>>>>>> to adapt the
>>>>>> current SDK to work with 6, but that is likely not true for most
>>>>>> community users out there. So maybe we as the Order should
>>>>>> look into
>>>>>> providing a reference build setup of our own, using the new
>>>>>> incorporating the new Docker approach as best as possible.
>>>>>> And maybe
>>>>>> such work will naturally lead us to general improvements /
>>>>>> definition of
>>>>>> a base image e.g. with regards to image size, code+test
>>>>>> round-trip time
>>>>>> etc...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Axel
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>> http://lists.xtreamlab.net/pipermail/ootb-hive/2018-September/001028.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [2] https://github.com/keensoft/docker-alfresco
>>>>>>
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