[Ootb-hive] The Order of the Bee

[Martin Cosgrave]

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On 10/06/14 19:41, Richard Esplin wrote:
> Sorry about the delay. I'm back from vacation and pretty swamped with a new
> boss, new team, and new expectations. It's going to take me a while to sort it
> out.
>
> As always Boriss, I find your approach to be very constructive and useful. A
> few quick thoughts:
>
> * I love the name
> * Who are the OOTB members? Can I join?
> * Are the archives for ootb-hive public anywhere? I think we should do as much
> as possible in public.
> * As Jeff mentioned, I worry about overlap between some of your immediate goals
> and our initiatives such as the new Community Home Page. I wonder how we can
> make them dovetail better. But I agree that it is better that your team takes
> initiative than wait around for us.
> * I can help arrange a server for hosting a model Alfresco Community Edition
> instance. If I can't get budget for an AWS instance, I can contribute a
> personal server.
>
> Please keep me informed. Jeff's departure has opened a new round of
> discussions with senior management on how Alfresco wants to engage with the
> community, and this is great information to have.
>
> Thank you again,
>
> Richard
>
> On Wednesday, June 04, 2014 23:52:43 Boriss Mejias wrote:
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> Very useful feedback and thanks for your enthusiasm on the idea. I'm going
>> again for 5 days offline, so I'll be back on Tuesday, but a few words
>> before that.
>>
>> I think those two major groups of activities you mentioned is a key part of
>> the mission, so it is a great summary of what we want to achieve. With the
>> first one we target the Alfresco Community = the people, and with the
>> second one we target the Community Edition = the software.
>>
>> That's it for now.
>> More to come next week.
>> cheers
>> Boriss
>>
>> On 3 June 2014 01:28, Jeff Potts <jeff.potts at alfresco.com> wrote:
>>> This sounds great, I am all for it in concept.
>>>
>>> My initial thought is that Richard has the same goal as you do, which is
>>> to convey the importance of open source and the community to Alfresco
>>> leadership (and echo'd back to the broader community). But he's only one
>>> guy so, obviously, needs the help of the bees. So I'm just wondering if
>>> there are certain pieces of this that could be hosted at Alfresco but with
>>> the community given edit access. Just a thought.
>>>
>>> Just brainstorming here, I think there are two major groups of activities:
>>> (1) Promoting and encouraging contributions, collaboration, and activity
>>> in
>>> the ecosystem regardless of edition and (2) Encouraging the download,
>>> installation, and production use of Community Edition.
>>>
>>> Anything in the first bucket is a no-brainer. So highlighting add-ons,
>>> translations, bug reports, bug fixes, blog posts, tutorials, screencasts,
>>> helpful forum members, active IRC channels, meetups, etc. falls in this
>>> category. This stuff should be showing up in newsletters, in the wiki, on
>>> the community landing page. It should be part of a report that goes to
>>> management that has metrics that says, "Here's what the community did this
>>> quarter".
>>>
>>> As I mentioned in my talk, Richard and I are having fun but not scaling.
>>> Me leaving does not help that. :) He can't be everywhere or see
>>> everything.
>>> Maybe there's a way the community can "report in" every month or
>>> something.
>>> Then Richard can take that up the chain. The challenge is that the most
>>> vocal members who are motivated to report in are a fairly small (but
>>> passionate!) group. So, really, this kind of thing needs to be automated
>>> as
>>> much as possible.
>>>
>>> It's the stuff in the second bucket--actively promoting CE--that is
>>> challenging. This is the nature of *commercial* open source--there is
>>> always this tension between sales, who often sees the free software as
>>> competition, and the community who tends to see the longer-term view. At
>>> some level, everyone understands that a large number of Enterprise Edition
>>> users started as Community Edition users, but highly-visible promotional
>>> activities around Community Edition feel competitive and even
>>> antagonistic/inflammatory to sales and management. As a simple example,
>>> Alfresco struggles to figure out where/how to list CE on the web site. Too
>>> much prominence and sales gets mad. Too little and the community team gets
>>> mad (and downloads drop).
>>>
>>> So you're unlikely to see Alfresco do much more than say, "Here is
>>> Community Edition if you want to download it, go ahead". (In fact, you may
>>> have noticed that the opt-in CE download was recently removed--you must
>>> now
>>> provide an email address to download unless you go to SourceForge or some
>>> other source).
>>>
>>> Ultimately, the community is free to do whatever it wants, subject to the
>>> license. My only advice at the moment (maybe I'll have more after Friday)
>>> is to look for ways to help Richard meet his goals and avoid duplicating
>>> work for the first bucket. For the second bucket, it's going to depend on
>>> how close to "the line" you want to take it.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff Potts
>>> Chief Community Officer
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>>> Skype: jeffpotts01
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>>>
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>>>
>>> On 2 June 2014 17:26, Boriss Mejias <tchorix at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Jeff and Richard,
>>>>
>>>> I'm sending you this email on behalf of the members of the Order of the
>>>> Bee (OOTB, in Cc), a new organization with a name completely inspired on
>>>> Jeff's community keynote in Barcelona.
>>>>
>>>> Call it telepathy, coincidence, but the time couldn't be better given the
>>>> fact that Jeff is leaving Alfresco. On Friday, May 23, while talking to
>>>> some fellows on the IRC channel (not logged, just PM) we decided to
>>>> create
>>>> the OOTB with the following goal: Guarantee the existence of the
>>>> Alfresco Community based on a free/libre solution for document
>>>> management.
>>>>
>>>> As you guys know, we are worried that the current management of Alfresco
>>>> doesn't see the value of Alfresco being open source, but for us, that's a
>>>> core thing for having this great community. We also think that Alfresco
>>>> wouldn't be what it is without its community. And by community, we don't
>>>> mean users of Alfresco Community edition, but also people using Alfresco
>>>> Enterprise, Alfresco partners, and Alfresco employees willing to
>>>> collaborate with each other to create a better software, and a better
>>>> community.
>>>>
>>>> So, our first goal is to make the contribution of the community shine on
>>>> the eyes of Alfresco management, so that they keep committed to give
>>>> support to the community, and keep Alfresco open source.
>>>>
>>>> To achieve such goal, we are going to host an Alfresco instance with
>>>> several of the best addons made by the community. We will also need some
>>>> plain html site to show and link other kind contributions such as
>>>> meetups,
>>>> irc channel, forums and blog posts. The most important concept behind the
>>>> order is that Alfresco as a company, *together* with the Alfresco
>>>> Community
>>>> can get the best of Alfresco as a software.
>>>>
>>>> We are telling you this because you guys are our interface to Alfresco
>>>> (as a company) and we want some feedback about the idea, to help us focus
>>>> on the best approach to make our statement as strong as possible.
>>>>
>>>> So, feedback is welcome.
>>>> cheers
>>>> Boriss
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