[OOTB-hive] Status update

[Oksana Kurysheva]

> I like that. A few of the top names, both business and devs, within
Alfresco, with a mini bio. What springs to mind is:

Ou, I mean another point. Not adding them as our members (Doug cannot be
our member because of our principals :) ), but a description of the Order
for them. About our positioning etc.

> +1 - I don't see a reason to exclude alfresco employees but we should
make them distinct.

Renamed "Candidates" section to "Alfresco Inc emplyees" :) I think that we
should invite Will Abson, Toni de la Fuente, Nathan McMinn, and add them
only after they agree on joining the Order. Richard knows everything about
us and he is a part of the community. But other Alfresco employees may not
understand what is happening.

> It feels odd to me to have a 'contact us' section that doesn't have a
contact form.

So should we add a form that will send a message to this mailing list?


> I'm not sure that I understand in what context a system integrator would
be giving his/her customer details to the list. Surely just their own
public information?

Depends on what requirement will we do for publishing SI at the website. I
think that the most reasonable requirement is "Show us real customers that
like the result of your work, give us their contacts". In other case we
will have thousands of freelancers who know only how to install Alfresco in
the default configuration. IMHO.

> @OrderOfTheBee ? It is available. I noticed that bee_order is actually
underscored not hyphenated and I don't really like the underscore. Personal
preference only.

I thought that it's too long name.. But you are right. I renamed @bee_order
to @OrderOfTheBee. Now I should find a way to share a password with you in
secure way (look at the previous point one more time) :)

> I can set up the alfresco instances if we have anywhere to host them.

I'll see tomorrow the situation with our servers in Germany. I'm sure we
have 4-8Gb RAM and 300-400Gb of storage, but the issue with IPv4 IP is the
same.. And we already have 3 Alfresco instances on these 2 servers, so
finding ports to forward all FTP, SMB etc ports can be not so easy..

One more question for the bees:

If we print T-shirts, bee glasses and buy antennas, do we do it
individually or someone will do it for all of us? :)

Best regards,
Oksana

On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 9:55 PM, Martin Cosgrave <martin at ocretail.com> wrote:

>
> On 04/08/14 08:33, Oksana Kurysheva wrote:
>
>
> 1. Our Website
>
>
>  The link to the current version of the website:
> http://ootb.ossportal.org/
>
> After we agree on the final version of the website, it should be moved to
> http://orderofthebee.org/
>
>
>  Please take a look at the website now and only after that continue
> reading. :)
>
>
> It's great, it looks really nice. I love the bee logo as it is, I even
> think the expression, while it's a bit weird, helps mark it out as "not
> corporate". I know Boris disagrees ;-)
>
>
>
>
>  1.1. Platform
>
>
>  At this moment it's plain HTML. We can move it to Drupal, but it means
> we need a database and all. We created an organization at Github and
> created a repo for a website. While we use plain-text HTML it's easier to
> manage a content in this way.
>
>
>  If we agree on the current design, I'd like to store "members" list,
> "add-ons", "system integrators" lists etc in JSON and use AngularJS to show
> them on the website. It can be done easily. And in this case one day we may
> use Alfresco as a backend. But as for now I don't see anyone who is ready
> to configure it ASAP.
>
>
>  Now it's a single-page website, and we should think about the place for
> collaboration and posting a content.
>
>
>  For example, list of ideas for new addons and list of addons that are
> under development now should be done in a Wiki style. Can we use Alfresco
> Wiki page for it as it was with Hackathon projects?
>
>
>  List of system integrators, success stories and add-ons can be done with
> AngularJS+JSON. In this case I'm ready to do it. If we want to use Drupal,
> then who can do it?
>
>
> I could be persuaded to manage some kind of CMS, but never, ever Drupal.
> It does to me what Kryptonite did to Superman.
>
> I think the single page thing is ok. We could maintain the content we want
> on the alfresco wiki and link to that. Where that's not suitable it could
> be links to google drive or dropbox for binaries and github for source.
>
> Alternatively to the alfresco wiki if people think that's not appropriate
> we could run our own wiki and style it ourselves. I don't mind maintaining
> a mediawiki, I've done that before.
>
> AngularJS and JSON is a great approach too.
>
>
>
>  1.2. More info about the Order
>
>
>  Should we mention somewhere that "we just start working, so don't worry
> that there is no content"? :)
>
> No! :) Reminds me of those websites with "under construction" images ;-)
>
>
>
>  Should we add a section for Doug and other Alfresco, Inc managers? Most
> probably, it's worth telling that:
>
> - we are not strange guys who forked Alfresco Community to become a
> competitor and try to sell own services
> - we don't want to entice Enterprise customers to our side
> - there are a lot of small companies who will never buy Enterprise
> (especially using new pricing) and who are not interesting in Cloud
> offering, and we want to help them, because Alfresco doesn't want to do it
> - so Alfresco Inc. should like us and allow us to use their logo and
> "Alfresco" word :)
>
>
> I like that. A few of the top names, both business and devs, within
> Alfresco, with a mini bio. What springs to mind is:
>
> Doug
> John Newton
> Roy Wetherall, his name's on so much of the backend code it's unbelievable
> Will Abson
>
> Definitely there are more devs that could be added, memory fails right now
>
> And of course Richard
>
>
>  1.3. Content
>
>
>  Let`s discuss the content of the website. If you want to add more words
> or a full new section, or just to review syntax errors, please do it. I'm
> thinking about moving "Activities" section above "About" one, but still not
> sure about it.
>
>
> I think the order is OK.
>
>
>
>  1.4. Contact
>
>
>  Is it ok not to have a contact form on the website? I gave links to the
> IRC and to the mailing list. Should we add a contact form that will send a
> message to the mailing list automatically?
>
>
> It feels odd to me to have a 'contact us' section that doesn't have a
> contact form.
>
>
>
>  People will want to send requests to add their addon to the list, to
> publish them as verified system integrators. Do we want to see all these
> requests in a public mailing list? If I were a Systems Integrator
> representative, I would be afraid of giving contacts of my customers in the
> public mailing list.
>
>
>  I think that many of us have their private mail servers. For example, I
> can create an account in my Zimbra that will automatically forward such
> requests to the list of our private addresses of people who will be
> responsible for the requests processing. So the request will not be visible
> in the history of our Mailing List.
>
>
>
> I'm not sure that I understand in what context a system integrator would
> be giving his/her customer details to the list. Surely just their own
> public information?
>
>
>  2. Social networks
>
>
>
>
>  2.2. Twitter
>
>
>  We should give people a chance to follow us. Someone can open the
> website and see that we are just starting and have nothing to show. They
> should have the ability to get updates from us. It would be great to
> publish news somewhere. Like "Check a new add-on in the list", "We created
> new 'showcase' instance" etc.
>
>
>  I registered account @bee-order at Twitter. We can select another one if
> it is available.
>
>
> @OrderOfTheBee ? It is available. I noticed that bee_order is actually
> underscored not hyphenated and I don't really like the underscore. Personal
> preference only.
>
>
>
> 4. Members
>
> Joking aside - here we are to discuss the positioning of the Order. Can we
> take Alfresco employees to the Order if they are active in the community?
> What is the selection criteria? Fedora / Red Hat experience shows that it's
> ok to have vendor employees in the community. However, it also shows that
> it's really bad if the community is silently dominated by vendor employees.
> May be we can have two explicit sections in 'Members' area - 'Independent
> members' and 'Alfresco Inc employees'.
>
> +1 - I don't see a reason to exclude alfresco employees but we should make
> them distinct.
>
>
>
>  4.3. Invite
>
>
>  After publishing a website it will be easier to explain who we are to
> other people. At this point we can start inviting people to join us. It
> looks especially important to get some members in the US, since we have
> only Jeff there now. Any ideas on who we should invite? I thought about
> inviting all community stars (2013, 2014?), but these people are selected
> by Alfresco Inc. I'm afraid it's not that good if we position ourselves as
> independent group.
>
>
>   Ben (xkahn) has joined. Is it Peter Monks who runs a large educational
> alfresco install (Enterprise) in the US or am I mixing him with someone
> else? Anyway that guy would be good :-}
>
>
> 5. Activities. Next steps
>
>
>  I added 6 activities to the website. We discussed all of them except
> "success stories" before.
>
>
> And "success stories" for smaller businesses is a great idea.
>
>
>
>  The website is just the first step. Who is ready to work on these
> "activities"? I can think about list of Addons, SIs and success stories,
> because they relate to creating a list of criterias for requesters, to
> publishing on the same website and to googling a lot.
>
>
>  Who is ready to work on the first activity? It's very important but
> looks very difficult for me. And what about Alfresco OOTB edition? Who is
> ready to update the text on the website for this point and start working on
> it?
>
>
> I can set up the alfresco instances if we have anywhere to host them. Are
> we going to fund it ourselves? I think it would be better than taking space
> from Alfresco, if that's even an option. A friend of mine just got a
> dedicated host a bit cheap because the hardware's not brand new and also
> not enterprise class. If it's good enough for us then he could probably
> resell some of it to us quite reasonably. We probably don't need very much
> space or memory. Would 64GB disk and 4GB RAM be enough? To run both
> instances? Maybe not I guess, perhaps someone can enlighten me on the
> minimum specs we need. Oh yeah there's also the issue that it's not a
> proper IPv4 address but instead it's behind NAT (this is getting more and
> more common now that IPv4 has run out). I can't see a problem with that, we
> can get whatever port forwarding set up very easily.
>
> And thanks Oksana for all the work you've put in to the Order so far. It's
> really quite inspiring.
>
>
> Cheers
> Martin
>
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