Re: [Easton-Cowgirls] Feedback from a cowmmittee meeting

It’s difficult too, because there may be people who we absolutely would have in the club, but who saw the name and thought “well I’m not a girl...” and were put off. We’re never going to be able to ask their thoughts, only those who weren’t put off, which is a bit of a biased sample. But this is all theoretical... it might be that no one has ever been put off by it. I’m honestly a bit sat on the fence, I don’t feel strongly that we have to change the name, but I am keen to hear if anyone comes up with a bright idea that might work well for everyone! Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows *From: *Rona A &lt;rona.aldridge(a)gmail.com&gt; *Sent: *17 November 2022 12:04 *To: *Frances Topham Smallwood &lt;ftophamsmallwood(a)gmail.com&gt; *Cc: *Josie Giblin &lt;giblin.jo(a)gmail.com&gt;om>; easton cowgirls group &lt;football-women(a)eastoncowfolk.org.uk&gt; *Subject: *Re: [Easton-Cowgirls] Feedback from a cowmmittee meeting If we weren’t going to change it, asking might seem tokenistic ? On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 at 11:55, Frances Topham Smallwood via football-women < football-women(a)eastoncowfolk.org.uk&gt; wrote: Totally support earlier comments about trans/nb inclusivity, and I had no idea the fa's rules were so horrible and invasive. On the name, I'm in favour of keeping the cowgirls name for the same reasons people have mentioned above. We already have cowfolk as the name for the overall club which I think goes some way to signalling it's inclusivity. Can we ask our trans/non binary players what they think of the name? Or would that be putting them on the spot too much? That way we'd have more info on whether people actually feel excluded by it, or we just worry that they might. Cheers Frances On Thu, 17 Nov 2022, 14:44 Josie Giblin via football-women, < football-women(a)eastoncowfolk.org.uk&gt; wrote: I agree with comments before – 100% behind inclusivity, and 100% agree with the connection to womens football and our fight to play and be taken seriously as footballers. But I just want to chuck in some thoughts... what’s brought up this discussion was the fact that trans and non-binary folk are still struggling and having to fight to play in our leagues. And although the casual league is miles ahead of the FAs archaic stance, there have still been incidents with trans and NB players facing discrimination from other players. For those reasons, I’m interested to hear suggestions of how we could not so much totally change our name, but maybe adapt it to reflect our inclusivity... while “girls” doesn’t exclusively mean cis women, it might not capture everyone, particularly some NB folk. The only ideas I’ve had so far were Easton Cowgxrls (which was highlighted as maybe losing the language too much, and to be fair is a linguistical mess), and Easton Cowgirls+ (maybe this one is a bit confusing). I’ve got no other ideas yet! I’m curious to hear if anyone has an idea that can still reflect the importance of women’s football, but give an inclusive nod to those who don’t consider themselves a girl Jo x Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows *From: *Turiya Pearce-Smith via football-women &lt;football-women(a)eastoncowfolk.org.uk&gt; *Sent: *17 November 2022 10:51 *To: *Woo Hall &lt;woohall77(a)gmail.com&gt; *Cc: *easton cowgirls group &lt;football-women(a)eastoncowfolk.org.uk&gt; *Subject: *Re: [Easton-Cowgirls] Feedback from a cowmmittee meeting My ten cents - at an amateur level the FA's requirements on trans players are ridiculously insensitive and serve to exclude many people from the grassroots game, aka I definitely agree that we as a club should take a stance against it. I equally strongly feel we should stick to our identity as a diverse, inclusive, trans-inclusive women's football club, because for me the women's game itself and the awesome sisterhood that comes with it is something really special, that's my personal take. BTW here's a link to download the FA Policy, for context https://www.thefa.com/-/media/cfa/suffolkfa/files/the-fa-policy-on-trans-pe… T x On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 at 22:14, Woo Hall via football-women < football-women(a)eastoncowfolk.org.uk&gt; wrote: Re the name change.... noooooo way. I fully embrace inclusivity, accessibility and solidarity with trans and non binary players 100%. Although I do not support ridding ourselves of our 'Cowgirl' name, our very connection to 'women's football' ...on the back of a history of women being banned from playing football, only progressing now in developed countries in the West. I am proud as a woman to be part of a generation that see's women/girls/us in sport actually being taken seriously. Why would we change our name??? Wendle xx On Wed, 16 Nov 2022, 21:50 Rona A via football-women, < football-women(a)eastoncowfolk.org.uk&gt; wrote: I support the stance. However, I wholeheartedly disagree with changing our name. We should be inclusive, but we don’t need to eradicate the use of the term ‘girls’ or ‘women’ to do so. Women/ girls is not an excluding term On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 at 17:28, Lizzie Winter via football-women < football-women(a)eastoncowfolk.org.uk&gt; wrote: Hi Cows, We had a cowmittee meeting last night because Manchester Laces have asked for our support in their stance against the current FA policy regarding trans players. We submitted our support and will hopefully be on their website soon. https://manchesterlaces.co.uk/campaign Trans Equality Campaign — Manchester Laces <https://manchesterlaces.co.uk/campaign> Charlton invicta fc. Charlton Invicta support trans inclusion in sport aligned with each person’s gender. Additionally, Non-binary folk are either being totally excluded or forced to play as a gender that is illegitimate to them. manchesterlaces.co.uk I've attached the minutes so have a read and let me know what you think and we can discuss it at our next meeting/after training. 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