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<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>as the mail by Ole has effectively stopped cold most ambitions
with regards to Docker-based SDK (until such a time that people
may get tired waiting on Alfresco deliver on the ideas Ole has
laid out), our focus should probably best be on the actual
(Community Edition) Docker images, and guides / templates related
to them. Angel was so kind and use my initial mail to add a
project to the list for the hack-a-thon at DevCon 2019
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://community.alfresco.com/docs/DOC-8064-projects-and-teams-hack-a-thon-at-devcon-2019">https://community.alfresco.com/docs/DOC-8064-projects-and-teams-hack-a-thon-at-devcon-2019</a>),
and of course anyone else who will join that event is invited to
join in on any specific efforts we decide to do on this day, if
interested.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Axel<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/12/2018 14:27, Ole Hejlskov
wrote:<br>
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<div class="">Hi all</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Forgive me, this will be a wall-of-text long email.
TL;DR at the bottom for the lazy.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">First of all, I just wanted to recognise the impact
the lack of a compatible SDK release has for all of you. </div>
<div class="">Initially when we released SDK 3.0, it came with a
bunch of promises of compatibility. However, this was all before
we went into the world of microservices and containers. ACS6 has
brought a lot of (good) changes, but unfortunately it has
resulted in unfortunate side effects for the SDK.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">I am happy to say that we (Alfresco) *are* committed
to bring a compatible SDK. We are working out the details on
exactly when this might happen, and we hope to share more
details soon. There.. I said it. "Soon". I flat out know how
this will rub people the wrong way, but that is honestly the
best I can do. </div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">OK with all of that out of the way, let's talk
details. </div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">We made good progress during the hackathon, and lots
of discussions later the approach we took was to spin up the
related services (database and search services) as Docker
containers. </div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Now, why did we do this?</div>
<div class="">Several reasons:</div>
<div class="">1) Solr isn't a WAR file anymore, it's an
executable. We *can* have Maven spin up an external executable
(and stop it again) as part of the build lifecycle, but getting
this to work across multiple platforms will be a nightmare, if
not straight out impossible, unless we leverage profiles (and
thereby bring back the dreaded parent pom), which will be hard
to maintain. In SDK 3.0 we wrapped all the craziness of dealing
with Solr packaging into the Alfresco Maven Plugin. By
externalising this into a docker container we removed A LOT of
complexity in the plugin. </div>
<div class="">Solution? Spin it up externally manually, or
leverage Docker to automate it.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">2) No more H2.</div>
<div class="">Since ACS no longer leverages Hibernate, we can't
control the dialect which enabled us to use H2. There is no way
to cheat or work around it, can't be done as is today. ACS will
require a database to be running. </div>
<div class="">Solution? Spin it up externally manually, or
leverage Docker to automate it.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">OK, so during the hackathon we relied on using the
Tomcat Maven Plugin to start the repository itself. This worked
at the time, but recent tests have discovered some very, very
annoying issues:</div>
<div class="">a) The Tomcat plugin has not been updated in years.
I believe around 5 years. </div>
<div class="">b) The Tomcat plugin is stuck on Tomcat7</div>
<div class="">c) The default version shipped with the Tomcat
plugin will not load JARs compiled with Java9 (throwing
exceptions about module-info.class and stuff). Latest versions
of ACS Enterprise relies on some artifacts that contains a
module-info.class, so exceptions are all over the place. Without
having tested it, I believe the latest Community release will
have the same issue</div>
<div class="">d) You can, in theory, force the Tomcat plugin to
use a different version, however you will be limited to Tomcat7
since there are incompatibilities. For the last 5 years this
issue has been open (<a
href="https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MTOMCAT-234"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MTOMCAT-234</a>)
which would bring support for Tomcat8, but no resolution or
progress made in years</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">If anyone questions this, I'd be happy to dig up my
notes and search histories, there are A LOT of issues with the
plugin due it's been neglected for 5 years.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">OK, so a lot of issues with the Tomcat plugin. If we
bring out the big hammer and force the Tomcat plugin to the
latest Tomcat7 release, it will actually start without
exceptions... if you are on Java8. Anything higher and it
completely breaks apart.. you see where this is going. </div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">This is pretty much where things grinds to a halt. </div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">I no longer believe using an embedded Tomcat like
this is viable. </div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">I would be willing to do experiments using the Cargo
plugin, but given the direction we will only start to see more
smaller services, Transformation service and event gateway just
to name a few. It's not impossible to configure all of this
without Docker, but it will be very complex and extremely
difficult to maintain. (Remember how bad upgrading the between
SDK 2.x releases?) </div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">The current design goals is to also leverage Docker
to spin up ACS to do integration tests. Ultimately the SDK will
consist of an archetype that can compile a JAR and AMP, then
leverage Docker to orchestrate the integration tests. </div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">If you do not wish to leverage Docker, there is
nothing stopping you from removing the Docker orchestration from
the pom in your project and roll a custom setup. This has always
been the goal: The archetypes serves as an example that gets you
going quickly, but provide enough flexibility to make changes
and only use the bits you need for your project. </div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">I assume the next logical question will be how this
affects RAD and the overall development workflow. Spinning up
ACS as a Docker container sounds like it will be painfully slow,
and you have to wait for restarts on every change. </div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Well, there are different approaches to be taken. We
can mount the target directory into the container. We can
leverage some stuff from JRebel, or look at how DECVM/Spring
Loaded/HotSwap Agent are doing today. I have not personally done
experiments in this area yet, so I'd love to hear feedback from
people who have experimented with it. </div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Again, please keep in mind that the archetypes can
be tweaked and changed based on your needs. Some people loathe
Docker. Some people hate using the embedded Tomcat. The
archetypes are meant to give you a good starting point and you
can totally tweak it to meet your needs.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">As always, we are very open to feedback. I will find
time to commit my latest experiments (leveraging Tomcat plugin)
to the sdk-4.0 branch ASAP.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">TL;DR:</div>
<div class="">There will be a compatible SDK with ACS 6.0 and
6.1. </div>
<div class="">The SDK will leverage Docker to spin up services
such as Postgres and Search Services, and ultimately the
repository itself. </div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">/Ole</div>
<div><br class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">
<div class="">On 7 Dec 2018, at 11.14, Douglas C. R. Paes <<a
href="mailto:douglascrp@gmail.com" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">douglascrp@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class="">Hello Jeff.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">The idea is not to force the Docker use, but
to use it to make things easier. This is why Docker is
used, to start PostgreSQL and Search Services only.</div>
<div class="">For Alfresco and Share, there is nothing
different, as the war files are used as always.<br
class="">
</div>
<div class="">But those are optional, and one can have
then running locally using traditional methods.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
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data-smartmail="gmail_signature">
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<div class="">
<div dir="ltr" class=""><font class=""
face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Douglas
C. R. Paes</font><br class="">
<div class=""><font class="" face="arial,
helvetica, sans-serif"><br class="">
<b class="">"D</b></font><b class="">one
is better than perfect</b><font class=""
face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><b
class="">"</b><br class="">
</font></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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</div>
<br class="">
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="">Em qui, 6 de dez de 2018 às 23:45,
Jeff Potts <<a href="mailto:jeffpotts01@gmail.com"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">jeffpotts01@gmail.com</a>>
escreveu:<br class="">
</div>
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0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
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<div class="">Why would I want the SDK to use a Docker
image?</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">My opinion is that it should continue to
use the WAR as it has previously. Otherwise, as you
point out, the developer has to add technology they
may not have a need for.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Jeff<br class="">
</div>
</div>
<br class="">
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="">On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 11:36
AM Douglas C. R. Paes <<a
href="mailto:douglascrp@gmail.com" target="_blank"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">douglascrp@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br class="">
</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">
<div dir="ltr" class="">
<div dir="ltr" class="">
<div dir="ltr" class="">
<div dir="ltr" class="">
<div class="">Hello everyone.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Because of the lack of
support from Alfresco in the SDK space,
and because I want to start using the
Alfresco 6 version, I decided to check
on the current status of the SDK
project, and I took the work started by
Ole on the last Hackathon, and tried to
make it work.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">The result of my effort so
far is available at <a
href="https://github.com/douglascrp/alfresco-sdk/tree/sdk-4.0"
target="_blank" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/douglascrp/alfresco-sdk/tree/sdk-4.0</a></div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Important... I have been
working only with <b class="">alfresco-platform-jar-archetype</b>,
as I usually don't use the AIO archetype
for anything.<br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">When you create the project
using the
alfresco-platform-jar-archetype, the
project will be configured to start both
PostgreSQL and Alfresco Search Service
as Docker containers, but the project
itself will be executed using the tomcat
plugin, just like it was done in the SDK
version 3.0.1.<br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">As this relies on the
official Alfresco Docker image for
Alfresco Search Service, anyone running
it will have to perform the
configuration described by Angel at <a
href="https://github.com/keensoft/alfresco-docker-template/tree/master/templates/201806-GA#how-to-use-this-composition"
target="_blank" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/keensoft/alfresco-docker-template/tree/master/templates/201806-GA#how-to-use-this-composition</a>,
which is to set the owner of the
.data/solr-data.</div>
<div class="">On Ubuntu: "sudo chown -R
1000:1000 data/solr-data"<br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">There are still some
problems with activiti, and because of
that, I had to configure the engline to
be disabled by default.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Feel free to test it and
tell me what you think.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
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<div class="">
<div dir="ltr" class=""><font
class="" face="arial,
helvetica, sans-serif">Douglas
C. R. Paes</font><br
class="">
<div class=""><font class=""
face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif"><br class="">
<b class="">"D</b></font><b
class="">one is better
than perfect</b><font
class="" face="arial,
helvetica, sans-serif"><b
class="">"</b><br
class="">
</font></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br class="">
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">Em seg, 26 de nov de 2018
às 10:16, Angel Borroy <<a
href="mailto:angel.borroy@keensoft.es"
target="_blank" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">angel.borroy@keensoft.es</a>>
escreveu:<br class="">
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div class="">
<div
id="gmail-m_794878530123616912m_-5396404239063398204gmail-m_8322451100745873672bloop_customfont"
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px" class="">You
are right, Axel.</div>
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style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px" class=""><br
class="">
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style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px" class="">Sorry
for trolling your initial (and great)
initiative.</div>
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style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px" class=""><br
class="">
</div>
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style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px" class="">Hoping
people will fallback to main subject of this
thread...</div>
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26 November 2018 at 13:14:33, Axel Faust (<a
href="mailto:axel.faust.g@googlemail.com"
target="_blank" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">axel.faust.g@googlemail.com</a>)
wrote:</p>
<blockquote type="cite"
class="gmail-m_794878530123616912m_-5396404239063398204gmail-m_8322451100745873672clean_bq"><span
class="">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class="">
<div class="">
<p class="">This is only using a test
/ RC (release candidate) state of
6.1
EE - if you look in <a
href="http://artifacts.alfresco.com/"
target="_blank" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">artifacts.alfresco.com</a>
(I can via one of my
customers) you'll see there is no EE
GA yet.</p>
<p class="">Haven't we all learned by
now not to trust Alfresco marketing
(e.g. what's written on the
homepage) when it comes to 100%
correctly / transparently
representing facts? CE vs EE
comparison
has been (naturally) biased forever,
and since Alfresco was
planning a marketing push for
November it is also understandable
that they might want to highlight
the next release, even if it may
not yet be fully ready...</p>
<p class="">Of course as always,
advance / roadmap communication by
Alfresco
could be better to avoid any such
confusion.<br class="">
</p>
<div
class="gmail-m_794878530123616912m_-5396404239063398204gmail-m_8322451100745873672moz-cite-prefix">On
26/11/2018 12:56, Angel Borroy
wrote:<br class="">
</div>
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At least, in my case, comes from
here:</div>
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<span
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This looks like a public ACS EE
6.1 release...</div>
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class="" lang="EN-US">company</span></p>
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<p
class="gmail-m_794878530123616912m_-5396404239063398204gmail-m_8322451100745873672airmail_on">On
26 November 2018 at 12:54:48, Ole
Hejlskov
(<a href="mailto:ole@phpfreak.dk"
target="_blank" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">ole@phpfreak.dk</a>)
wrote:</p>
<blockquote type="cite"
class="gmail-m_794878530123616912m_-5396404239063398204gmail-m_8322451100745873672clean_bq">
<div class="">
<div class=""><span class="">Hi
all</span>
<div class=""><span class=""><br
class="">
</span></div>
<div class=""><span class="">I’m
not sure where the
confusion started, but
I’ve just verified
internally that ACS 6.1
has entered the
regression testing phase.
Once this completes there
will be a ACS
6.1 GA release for
Community, followed by 6.1
EE. The only thing
that isn’t clear to me at
this stage, is wether 6.1
EE comes before
6.1 CE (GA) or vice-versa.
</span></div>
<div class=""><span class=""><br
class="">
</span></div>
<div class=""><span class="">Hope
this clears things up.</span></div>
<div class=""><span class=""><br
class="">
</span></div>
<div class=""><span class="">/Ole<br
class="">
</span>
<div class=""><span class=""><br
class="">
</span>
<blockquote type="cite"
class="">
<div class=""><span
class="">On 26 Nov
2018, at 11.33,
Francesco Corti
<<a
href="mailto:fcorti@gmail.com"
target="_blank"
class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">fcorti@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</span></div>
<span class=""><br
class="gmail-m_794878530123616912m_-5396404239063398204gmail-m_8322451100745873672Apple-interchange-newline">
</span>
<div class="">
<div dir="ltr"
class=""><span
class="">Good
morning guys,</span>
<div class=""><span
class=""><br
class="">
</span></div>
<div class=""><span
class="">I'm
afraid there is
something to
adjust.<br
class="">
ACS 6.1
Community
Edition won't be
a GA release.</span></div>
<div class=""><span
class="">I think
John mentioned
the EE release
(that
will be GA by
default).</span></div>
<div class=""><span
class="">Just a
heads up.</span></div>
<div class=""><span
class="">In
every case, the
initiative
continue to be a
good idea.</span></div>
<div class=""><span
class=""><br
class="">
</span></div>
<div class=""><span
class="">Cheers,</span></div>
<div class=""><span
class=""><br
class="">
</span></div>
<div class=""><span
class="">-F</span></div>
<div class=""><span
class=""><br
class="">
</span></div>
<div class=""><span
class=""><br
class="">
</span></div>
</div>
<span class=""><br
class="">
</span>
<div
class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr"
class=""><span
class="">Il
giorno lun 26
nov 2018 alle
ore
10:29 Angel
Borroy <<a
href="mailto:angel.borroy@keensoft.es"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">angel.borroy@keensoft.es</a>>
ha scritto:<br
class="">
</span></div>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px
0px 0px
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solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div class="">
<div
id="gmail-m_794878530123616912m_-5396404239063398204gmail-m_8322451100745873672m_2548926153693929836m_5608294723039762945bloop_customfont"
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px" class=""><span
class="">Hi,</span></div>
<div
id="gmail-m_794878530123616912m_-5396404239063398204gmail-m_8322451100745873672m_2548926153693929836m_5608294723039762945bloop_customfont"
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px" class=""><span
class=""><br
class="">
</span></div>
<div
id="gmail-m_794878530123616912m_-5396404239063398204gmail-m_8322451100745873672m_2548926153693929836m_5608294723039762945bloop_customfont"
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px" class=""><span
class="">Sorry
for being so
vague. I have
no more
information
than you, as
UST Global is
not still an
Alfresco
partner. We
are
applying from
June but it
looks like
Alfresco has
plenty of
skilled
partners in
Spain and
there is no
room for one
more. Two
weeks ago
I started an
Enterprise
project in
collaboration
with a local
partner, as
Alfresco
forbid UST
Global to work
with Community
(despite we
are not
partners
nowadays). I’m
starting to be
very
concerned
about Alfresco
Sales
ecosystem, but
probably it’s
only my
pov.</span></div>
<div
id="gmail-m_794878530123616912m_-5396404239063398204gmail-m_8322451100745873672m_2548926153693929836m_5608294723039762945bloop_customfont"
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px" class=""><span
class=""><br
class="">
</span></div>
<div
id="gmail-m_794878530123616912m_-5396404239063398204gmail-m_8322451100745873672m_2548926153693929836m_5608294723039762945bloop_customfont"
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px" class=""><span
class="">Anyway,
you are right,
John Knowles
said that they
will publish
an ACS
Community
release in GA
status. But,
afaik,
this is the
first
Community
release
released after
the Enterprise
one. Error or
strategy? Who
knows…</span></div>
<div
id="gmail-m_794878530123616912m_-5396404239063398204gmail-m_8322451100745873672m_2548926153693929836m_5608294723039762945bloop_customfont"
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px" class=""><span
class=""><br
class="">
</span></div>
<div
id="gmail-m_794878530123616912m_-5396404239063398204gmail-m_8322451100745873672m_2548926153693929836m_5608294723039762945bloop_customfont"
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px" class=""><span
class="">Let’s
focus on this
initiative and
let’s keep
apart
all my bad
feelings about
the life in
general.</span></div>
<div
id="gmail-m_794878530123616912m_-5396404239063398204gmail-m_8322451100745873672m_2548926153693929836m_5608294723039762945bloop_customfont"
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px" class=""><span
class=""><br
class="">
</span></div>
<div
id="gmail-m_794878530123616912m_-5396404239063398204gmail-m_8322451100745873672m_2548926153693929836m_5608294723039762945bloop_customfont"
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px" class=""><span
class="">Best,</span></div>
<span class=""><br
class="">
</span>
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class=""><span
class=""><span
style="font-size:10pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="">Angel Borroy</span><span
style="font-size:10pt" class=""><br class="">
</span> <span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(94,198,242)"
class=""
lang="EN-US">keen</span><b
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class=""
lang="EN-US">soft </span></b><span
style="font-size:8pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(153,153,153)"
class=""
lang="EN-US">a </span><b
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px" class=""><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(192,0,0)"
class=""
lang="EN-US">UST </span></b><b
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px" class=""><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(127,127,127)"
class=""
lang="EN-US">Global </span></b><span
style="font-size:8pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(153,153,153)"
class=""
lang="EN-US">company</span></span></p>
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class=""><span
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26 November
2018 at
09:43:45, Axel
Faust (<a
href="mailto:axel.faust.g@googlemail.com"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">axel.faust.g@googlemail.com</a>)
wrote:</p>
<blockquote
type="cite"
class="gmail-m_794878530123616912m_-5396404239063398204gmail-m_8322451100745873672m_2548926153693929836m_5608294723039762945clean_bq">
<div
bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
class="">
<div class="">
<p class=""><span
class="">Hello
Angel,</span></p>
<p class=""><span
class="">since
you now are a
partner, you
may
have some
information I
don't get to
see - but last
time John
Knowles was on
IRC (~2 weeks
ago) he
indicated that
the next ACS
Community
release would
be a GA, so
ACS 6.1 would
have a
Community
equivalent.</span></p>
<p class=""><span
class="">Regards,
Axel<br
class="">
</span></p>
<div
class="gmail-m_794878530123616912m_-5396404239063398204gmail-m_8322451100745873672m_2548926153693929836m_5608294723039762945moz-cite-prefix"><span
class="">On
26/11/2018
09:36, Angel
Borroy wrote:<br
class="">
</span></div>
<blockquote
type="cite"
class="">
<div
id="gmail-m_794878530123616912m_-5396404239063398204gmail-m_8322451100745873672m_2548926153693929836m_5608294723039762945bloop_customfont"
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px" class=""><span
class="">Nice
idea, Axel.</span></div>
<div
id="gmail-m_794878530123616912m_-5396404239063398204gmail-m_8322451100745873672m_2548926153693929836m_5608294723039762945bloop_customfont"
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px" class=""><span
class=""><br
class="">
</span></div>
<div
id="gmail-m_794878530123616912m_-5396404239063398204gmail-m_8322451100745873672m_2548926153693929836m_5608294723039762945bloop_customfont"
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px" class=""><span
class="">I’m
open to
collaborate,
despite my
basic
skills on
Docker, k8s
and many other
relevant
software
involved in
the “new”
Alfresco.</span></div>
<div
id="gmail-m_794878530123616912m_-5396404239063398204gmail-m_8322451100745873672m_2548926153693929836m_5608294723039762945bloop_customfont"
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px" class=""><span
class=""><br
class="">
</span></div>
<div
id="gmail-m_794878530123616912m_-5396404239063398204gmail-m_8322451100745873672m_2548926153693929836m_5608294723039762945bloop_customfont"
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px" class=""><span
class="">Now
that Alfresco
is ignoring
deliberatively
the Community
(ACS 6.1 will
be published
without
having a
Community
equivalent),
it’s time to
act. Probably
providing a
deployment and
developing
environment
for everyone
is
the right
approach.</span></div>
<div
id="gmail-m_794878530123616912m_-5396404239063398204gmail-m_8322451100745873672m_2548926153693929836m_5608294723039762945bloop_customfont"
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px" class=""><span
class=""><br
class="">
</span></div>
<div
id="gmail-m_794878530123616912m_-5396404239063398204gmail-m_8322451100745873672m_2548926153693929836m_5608294723039762945bloop_customfont"
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px" class=""><span
class="">I’m
not able to
organise this
initiative,
but let me
know if I can
help in any
way.</span></div>
<div
id="gmail-m_794878530123616912m_-5396404239063398204gmail-m_8322451100745873672m_2548926153693929836m_5608294723039762945bloop_customfont"
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px" class=""><span
class=""><br
class="">
</span></div>
<div
id="gmail-m_794878530123616912m_-5396404239063398204gmail-m_8322451100745873672m_2548926153693929836m_5608294723039762945bloop_customfont"
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px" class=""><span
class="">Best,</span></div>
<span class=""><br
class="">
</span>
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<p
style="font-family:Helvetica;line-height:normal;font-size:inherit;color:rgb(34,34,34)"
class=""><span
class=""><span
style="font-size:10pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="">Angel
Borroy</span><span
style="font-size:10pt" class=""><br class="">
</span> <span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(94,198,242)"
class=""
lang="EN-US">keen</span><b
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px" class=""><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(58,55,59)"
class=""
lang="EN-US">soft </span></b><span
style="font-size:8pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(153,153,153)"
class=""
lang="EN-US">a </span><b
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px" class=""><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(192,0,0)"
class=""
lang="EN-US">UST </span></b><b
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px" class=""><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(127,127,127)"
class=""
lang="EN-US">Global </span></b><span
style="font-size:8pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(153,153,153)"
class=""
lang="EN-US">company</span></span></p>
<p
style="font-family:Helvetica;line-height:normal;font-size:inherit;color:rgb(34,34,34)"
class=""><span
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href="mailto:angel.borroy@keensoft.es"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:9pt;color:blue"
class="">angel.borroy@keensoft.es</span></a><span
style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=""><br class="">
web: </span><a
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2018 at
22:57:06, Axel
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<div class=""><span
class="">Hello
guys,<br
class="">
<br class="">
TL;DR: Instead
of revisiting
our previous
pre-bundled
Community
build<br
class="">
idea, maybe
more
short-term /
easier to
realize value
could be
gained by<br
class="">
collaborating
on guides /
documentation
/ examples
regarding
Docker<br
class="">
deployments to
help community
members make
the switch,
AND/OR
create a<br
class="">
standard build
setup (in lieu
of an updated
Alfresco SDK
that may
never<br
class="">
arrive)
incorporating
the new
deployment
approach and
achieving
full<br
class="">
compatibility
with the most
recent
Alfresco
releases.<br
class="">
<br class="">
This mail is a
revisit of a
mail Daren
sent in the
middle of the
thread<br
class="">
for volunteers
for the DevCon
talk
submission
review ([1]).
I don't
know<br
class="">
how many
actually read
the mail
considering
the misleading
subject
line.<br
class="">
In it he asked
if there is
interest in
revisiting our
previous
work<br
class="">
around a
pre-bundled
Alfresco
Community
build (at the
time using
puppet)<br
class="">
and maybe
adapted /
updating that
to be in line
with the
current
Docker<br
class="">
/ Kubernetes
approach.<br
class="">
<br class="">
In the last
two months I
have had the
(dis-)pleasure
to
familiarize<br
class="">
myself with
the current
state of the
Alfresco
Docker and
Helm
charts /<br
class="">
Kubernetes
work in
preparation
for a training
at an Alfresco
partner.<br
class="">
Anyone
following me
on Twitter
might have
seen a rant or
two.
It<br class="">
certainly is
not the most
intuitive and
not helped by
the fact
that<br
class="">
Alfresco tends
to break stuff
shortly after
providing an
initially<br
class="">
working state.<br
class="">
<br class="">
Given how
tricky it can
be for
community
members /
customers to
switch<br
class="">
over to the
new approach
without any
prior
experience, I
would say
that<br
class="">
any guides /
documentation
that we as the
Order could
collaboratively<br class="">
put together
would be much
more
valuable/needed
at this point
than<br
class="">
simply
revisiting the
pre-bundled
build. As both
the Docker
Compose<br
class="">
scripts and
Helm charts
from Alfresco
should only be
considered as
a<br class="">
starting point
/ reference
rather than a
ready-to-use
setup, we
might<br
class="">
also want to
look into
providing
improved
variants for
these (Helm
may<br
class="">
be a lower
priority as
it/Kubernetes
likely is not
relevant for
most<br
class="">
community
users). I know
that Angel has
already done
work in the
area of<br
class="">
an improved
compose
reference
([2]) - maybe
that could be
a
starting<br
class="">
point to flesh
out / improve
upon...<br
class="">
<br class="">
In my training
I have also
integrated the
new Docker
images as a
runtime<br
class="">
environment
for
("not-really-rapid")
application
development in
my
Maven<br
class="">
setup, and
also used it
for the
integration
tests therein.
In
another,<br
class="">
personal
project I have
started to use
Docker
containers
even for
my<br class="">
regular unit
tests.<br
class="">
Alfresco has
still not
released a SDK
natively
compatible
with
Alfresco<br
class="">
6, and given
their
long-term goal
of moving
customers/users
off
of<br class="">
in-process
extensions may
likely not
provide an
updated
version
anytime<br
class="">
soon. I know
most people in
the Order have
sufficient
skill to
adapt the<br
class="">
current SDK to
work with 6,
but that is
likely not
true for
most<br
class="">
community
users out
there. So
maybe we as
the Order
should look
into<br
class="">
providing a
reference
build setup of
our own, using
the
new<br
class="">
incorporating
the new Docker
approach as
best as
possible. And
maybe<br
class="">
such work will
naturally lead
us to general
improvements /
definition of<br
class="">
a base image
e.g. with
regards to
image size,
code+test
round-trip
time<br
class="">
etc...<br
class="">
<br class="">
Regards<br
class="">
<br class="">
Axel<br
class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
[1]<br
class="">
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