<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi all,</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for sharing that opinion Younes. Obviously you are a good candidate for the board. I'm glad you are there.</div><div><br></div><div>I also feel that the open source spirit of the company is fading away again, but there is hope with the work that Kristen, Francesco, and I would like to include David Webster, are doing for the community. They can't change the direction of the company, but they can help the community to be connected and have a communication with the company. That is crucial for the community to know which path to follow.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div>Boriss<br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 30 May 2018 at 10:47, Younes REGAIEG <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:y.regaieg@gmail.com" target="_blank">y.regaieg@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Angel, All,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for sharing your thoughts, I am really happy there is some movement back in this list..</div><div><br></div><div>I personally think that part of Angel’s analysis is coherent, but I really do not think the situation to be as apocalyptical as he had drawn.</div><div><br></div><div>I share his impression that alfresco is losing its (real) open-source spirit and is more and more being lured into the dark-side, but I do not think that battle is lost yet. As a matter of fact, I do think that the community does need the Order now more than ever.</div><div>Alfresco is not a charity, it is a profit company but it definitely needs this community to continue prospering, I would say now more than the past few years, the fact that it (Alfresco) is shifting from being a product company to a platform company is on our side, as it puts the Developer at the centre of focus again and pumps some life into the community veins… You can already sense that in the REBIRTH of the Alfresco DevCon (I think the order should have more effect there), the now frequent and recurring meetups, the enhancements made to the contribution workflow to Alfresco which is now made easier than ever …</div><div><br></div><div>I now believe that the order needs to step up once again, and try to conserve the gains of this community and continue to pursue its goals…</div><div>I recon that we had problems in the past with participation, and as far as I can see, we got into a vicious circle: people want to engage/contribute but are afraid of the load that might bring to them -> most people end up not being involved -> responsibility and the load falls on the handful of people that had stepped up -> After a while those people get tired and step down and the circle turns over and over… IMHO, there is only one solution to this : ENGAGE ! ; if everyone within this community does engage, there will definitely be less load and more fun for everyone !</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>—Younes</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 30 May 2018, at 09:49, Angel Borroy <<a href="mailto:angel.borroy@keensoft.es" target="_blank">angel.borroy@keensoft.es</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-1520581986393879520Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div id="m_-1520581986393879520bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;margin:0px">Hi all,</div><div id="m_-1520581986393879520bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;margin:0px"><br></div><div id="m_-1520581986393879520bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;margin:0px">Just to be clear. </div><div id="m_-1520581986393879520bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;margin:0px"><br></div><div id="m_-1520581986393879520bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;margin:0px">Nothing to say about Francesco and Kristen commitment with the Community, they are both great values for every company.</div><div id="m_-1520581986393879520bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;margin:0px"><br></div><div id="m_-1520581986393879520bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;margin:0px">My opinions are not based in “secret” information, as Francesco said it’s just a feeling from analysing some facts happened in the last months. Hard separation between Sales & Development inside the company has produced a toxic ecosystem, where Open Source is relegated to leisure and fun but it’s ignored in any other area. This is why I feel sad about Alfresco, and this is why I think that Alfresco has changed its direction.</div><div id="m_-1520581986393879520bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;margin:0px"><br></div><div id="m_-1520581986393879520bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;margin:0px">Obviously, I can be wrong. In fact, I’m often wrong in many things.</div><div id="m_-1520581986393879520bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;margin:0px"><br></div><div id="m_-1520581986393879520bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;margin:0px">Best,</div><br style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><div id="m_-1520581986393879520bloop_sign_1527666116095824128" class="m_-1520581986393879520bloop_sign" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:helvetica,arial;font-size:13px"></span><p style="font-family:Helvetica;line-height:normal;font-size:12px;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Angel Borroy</span><span style="font-size:10pt"><br></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(94,198,242)" lang="EN-US">keen</span><b style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.666666984558105px"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(58,55,59)" lang="EN-US">soft </span></b><span style="font-size:8pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(153,153,153)" lang="EN-US">a </span><b style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.666666984558105px"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(192,0,0)" lang="EN-US">UST </span></b><b style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.666666984558105px"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(127,127,127)" lang="EN-US">Global </span></b><span style="font-size:8pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(153,153,153)" lang="EN-US">company</span></p><p style="font-family:Helvetica;line-height:normal;font-size:12px;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">email: </span><a href="mailto:angel.borroy@keensoft.es" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:blue">angel.borroy@keensoft.es</span></a><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br>web: </span><a href="http://www.keensoft.es/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:blue">http://www.keensoft.<wbr>es</span></a><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br>móvil: <a>+34 655 47 47 55</a></span></p><p style="font-family:Helvetica;line-height:normal;font-size:12px;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(153,153,153)">CONFIDENCIALIDAD:</span></p><p style="font-family:Helvetica;line-height:normal;font-size:12px;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(153,153,153)">La presente comunicación y, en su caso, los ficheros que lleve adjuntos, pertenecen exclusivamente a las personas a las que va dirigido y puede contener información confidencial. 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If you have received this message in error please notify it to the sender and destroy it immediately.</span></p></div><br style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><p class="m_-1520581986393879520airmail_on" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">On 29 May 2018 at 18:09:05, Francesco Corti (<a href="mailto:fcorti@gmail.com" target="_blank">fcorti@gmail.com</a>) wrote:</p><blockquote type="cite" class="m_-1520581986393879520clean_bq" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span><div><div></div><div><div dir="ltr">Hi all,<div><br></div><div>Thank you Jeff for putting together some points of challenge and commitment for all.</div><div>As member of the Community (not only as Alfrescan) I think that now it's a good timing for a discussion about "what's next".</div><div><br></div><div>From my point of view the OOTBee has been a success, after some years of existence, and now it would be a good timing to define its future.</div><div>From this point of view: I'm in (in my role of Alfrescan and member of the Community).<br></div><div><br></div><div>Me and Kristen (but we can extend the list with other names, internal and external to Alfresco) are already thinking about new initiatives, but of course we need you (OOTBee or whatever it will be) to be more effective.<br></div><div>An example: how can we succeed in having more local meetups (and staying where the developers are) without people like Ana Gouveia supporting us with a venue each couple of month in the London area?</div><div>This is only an example (and probably I'm doing something wrong quoting one person only), but this is the level of commitment we might need.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm sorry to hear Angel's lack of confidence and all the changes that happened (and are happening) into Alfresco as an organisation are not helping to understand.</div><div><br></div><div>With this email I would like to ensure my availability to contribute to this initiative.</div><div>Looking forward to hear about the next steps.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>-F</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Il giorno mar 29 mag 2018 alle ore 16:37 Angel Borroy <<a href="mailto:angel.borroy@keensoft.es" target="_blank">angel.borroy@keensoft.es</a>> ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div id="m_-1520581986393879520gmail-m_339528367498722697bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px">Thanks for making real all the feelings about OOTB we are sharing.</div><div id="m_-1520581986393879520gmail-m_339528367498722697bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px"><br></div><div id="m_-1520581986393879520gmail-m_339528367498722697bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px">In my opinion, there is no future for Alfresco and the Community. Despite Francesco, Kristen et al are doing a lot to empower the Community, the new (old?) Direction of Alfresco is targeting the product to a fake “Open Source” company. My guess is that Alfresco Community will be useless in a year or two. During this transition many Community developers (like me) will find another technologies to work with. So, in the end, the Community will die by its own. </div><div id="m_-1520581986393879520gmail-m_339528367498722697bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px"><br></div><div id="m_-1520581986393879520gmail-m_339528367498722697bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px">Taking this into account, I feel that OOTB mission is far ambitious, as it will become harder and harder with the time. </div><div id="m_-1520581986393879520gmail-m_339528367498722697bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px"><br></div><div id="m_-1520581986393879520gmail-m_339528367498722697bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px">We had wonderful (and joyful) years for the OOTB, achieving incredible goals. But this time is past.</div><div id="m_-1520581986393879520gmail-m_339528367498722697bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px"><br></div><div id="m_-1520581986393879520gmail-m_339528367498722697bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px">Probably this is why I’m (also) rejecting the nomination for the Board, because I think that Alfresco Community has no future. </div><div id="m_-1520581986393879520gmail-m_339528367498722697bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px"><br></div><div id="m_-1520581986393879520gmail-m_339528367498722697bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px">Don’t misunderstand me, I’ve met incredible people in this organisation and I’ve been pleased to collaborate with them. Moreover, I’ve learnt a lot and I’ve grown as person and developer. So I have only good feelings around OOTB. </div><div id="m_-1520581986393879520gmail-m_339528367498722697bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px"><br></div><div id="m_-1520581986393879520gmail-m_339528367498722697bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px">Anyway, I’ll be ready to collaborate with the new Board if this organisation continues operating.</div><div id="m_-1520581986393879520gmail-m_339528367498722697bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px"><br></div><div id="m_-1520581986393879520gmail-m_339528367498722697bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px">Best,</div><br><div id="m_-1520581986393879520gmail-m_339528367498722697bloop_sign_1527603628753278976" class="m_-1520581986393879520gmail-m_339528367498722697bloop_sign"><p style="font-family:Helvetica;line-height:normal;font-size:12px;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Angel Borroy</span><span style="font-size:10pt"><br></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(94,198,242)" lang="EN-US">keen</span><b style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(58,55,59)" lang="EN-US">soft </span></b><span style="font-size:8pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(153,153,153)" lang="EN-US">a </span><b style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(192,0,0)" lang="EN-US">UST </span></b><b style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(127,127,127)" lang="EN-US">Global </span></b><span style="font-size:8pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(153,153,153)" lang="EN-US">company</span></p><p style="font-family:Helvetica;line-height:normal;font-size:12px;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">email: </span><a href="mailto:angel.borroy@keensoft.es" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:blue">angel.borroy@keensoft.es</span></a><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br>web: </span><a href="http://www.keensoft.es/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:blue">http://www.keensoft.<wbr>es</span></a><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br>móvil: <a>+34 655 47 47 55</a></span></p><p style="font-family:Helvetica;line-height:normal;font-size:12px;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(153,153,153)">CONFIDENCIALIDAD:</span></p><p style="font-family:Helvetica;line-height:normal;font-size:12px;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(153,153,153)">La presente comunicación y, en su caso, los ficheros que lleve adjuntos, pertenecen exclusivamente a las personas a las que va dirigido y puede contener información confidencial. 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If you have received this message in error please notify it to the sender and destroy it immediately.</span></p></div><br><p class="m_-1520581986393879520gmail-m_339528367498722697airmail_on">On 29 May 2018 at 16:11:09, Jeff Potts (<a href="mailto:jeffpotts01@gmail.com" target="_blank">jeffpotts01@gmail.com</a>) wrote:</p><blockquote type="cite" class="m_-1520581986393879520gmail-m_339528367498722697clean_bq"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><span>The Order of the Bee began during a time of great uncertainty for our community. It was started, in part, as a reminder to Alfresco Software, Inc. (and to ourselves) that there is a group of people, distributed across the globe, that care deeply about both the software and the community of people involved in making, using, implementing, and customizing that software.</span><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>Since then, The Order has achieved many things. It organized and executed two outstanding events. It took ownership of the Support Tools project and drove it forward. It served as a "brand" with which those truly passionate about the community could identify.</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>Today the future for Alfresco and the community is no more certain than it was in 2014. Yet, I feel like our organization has lost its way. The board never meets formally. The subcommittees have mostly stopped work. Even simple, focused efforts aimed at getting more people involved and producing output fell flat.</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>As we look to electing a new board I would like to challenge each of you to think about the following:</span></div><div><span> * Does this organization still make sense?</span></div><div><span> * If so, does the mission need to be adjusted?</span></div><div><span> * If the mission is still good, how will we execute differently in order to achieve it?</span></div><div><span> * If changes are needed, what are those changes?</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>I am raising this during the elections because I think it is important for board candidates to express their thoughts in these areas. 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