[OOTB-hive] Wiki updates

Martin Cosgrave martin at ocretail.com
Fri May 22 22:10:50 BST 2015 

I don't know that I can agree with that, they still just seem to be 
stories whenever I try to find anything.

On 22/05/15 23:09, Tahir Malik wrote:
> Yeah but I have to say now a days the Alfresco docs is far superior in 
> many articles. So instead we should link to the docs.
>
> Sure that doesn't apply to all articles. But I have to hand in that 
> Alfresco did improve the docs a lot 😊.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Tahir Shazad Malik
> Contezza
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> From: Martin Cosgrave <mailto:martin at ocretail.com>
> Sent: ‎22/‎05/‎2015 23:07
> To: Peter Monks <mailto:peter.monks at alfresco.com>; Mark Stang 
> <mailto:markjstang at gmail.com>
> Cc: ootb-hive at xtreamlab.net <mailto:ootb-hive at xtreamlab.net>
> Subject: Re: [OOTB-hive] Wiki updates
>
> It's much worse now for newcomers, they are being definitively told 
> that good information is bad. I don't know how you can think that that 
> is an easier path for a newbie. It really is vandalism in my opinion.
>
> On 22/05/15 22:00, Peter Monks wrote:
>> G’day Mark,
>>
>> The best solution is what Richard said:
>>
>>     “clear that tag on good pages or mark the ones that need work but
>>     should be kept.”
>>
>>
>> This is an exercise virtually everyone in the community can 
>> participate in, as it’s both low effort / expertise (was a page 
>> useful? remove the tag!) and high value - over the long run it will 
>> allow us (the inclusive “us”, not the divisive “us”…) to remove pages 
>> that retained the tag - a kind of “Sieve of Esplinosthenes” if you 
>> will.  ;-)
>>
>> And while clearly outdated pages are obvious to longstanding members 
>> of the community, I suspect they were (prior to the tag) a 
>> significant source of confusion for newcomers who don’t know what 
>> they don’t know (yet).
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 2015-05-22, at 12:33 PM, Mark Stang <markjstang at gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:markjstang at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I was a bit shocked to see all the wiki pages marked as Obsolete.  I 
>>> asked an "Alfresco Insider" who informed me that:
>>>
>>> Richard marked every wiki page obsolete. He is hoping people will 
>>> either clear that tag on good pages or mark the ones that need work 
>>> but should be kept.
>>>
>>> I don't know if the CMIS stuff was moved to docs or not.
>>>
>>> Some of it is obviously out-of-date and has been for awhile.  The 
>>> rest is still current AFAIK.  So, going forward, I am ignoring the 
>>> warning.
>>>
>>> I am not sure what the best solution would be.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Martin Cosgrave 
>>> <martin at ocretail.com <mailto:martin at ocretail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     I've read the whole thread, except I started a few messages in,
>>>     and the last thing I've done is to come back to the first post
>>>     and actually look at the chart in question. I actually don't
>>>     have a problem with it, as has been said you expect marketing
>>>     types to do that, but at least there at the bottom is a clear
>>>     download link to CE. I couldn't be more pleased that the two are
>>>     presented together. I'm sure that everyone must have had
>>>     experiences similar to mine of knowing that a product has an
>>>     open source version, and struggling to find any mention of it
>>>     until you find the tiny 'Community' link in dark brown on black
>>>     at the bottom of the page.
>>>
>>>     There is certainly no harm in creating a counterpoint page, it
>>>     could be quite tongue in cheek, maybe we can put a lot of red
>>>     X's next to EE :-P
>>>
>>>     A quick side note about Honeycomb, there really is a lot of good
>>>     stuff you guys could contribute, especially if you know puppet
>>>     or a similar devops tool, but if not even just building it and
>>>     commenting on or modifying the configurations we have chosen
>>>     would be really useful. There are only two of us involved in it
>>>     right now and I've been a bit busy starting a job and moving
>>>     city in the last month or so. I just noticed it was mentioned a
>>>     couple of times in the thread so I guess there is some value
>>>     there and mindshare even if nobody's stepping forward.
>>>
>>>     It's a shame the thread spiralled out of control at the end
>>>     there. At the beginning it was really constructive and it's
>>>     definitely worth going back and looking over those bits :-) .
>>>     However it's obvious there are strong feelings on both sides.
>>>     Personally I feel very strongly that the vandalism to the wiki
>>>     pages which marks all the useful community-oriented
>>>     documentation as obsolete be reverted.
>>>
>>>     I thought Ainga's point that we could be more marketing oriented
>>>     as bees was spot on. Perhaps he could step up to the mark on
>>>     that one, as a bee who is also a CEO?
>>>
>>>     I like very much Heiko's idea for a common model registry,
>>>     especially if he has some models to donate to it. What a great
>>>     thing for OOTB to have, especially as the model system confuses
>>>     newcomers to the product, both for CE and EE I am sure.
>>>
>>>     I really wish we could have a documentation project. To my mind
>>>     there has never been any decent documentation for alfresco, and
>>>     Jeff's noble efforts, which were amazing, were nonetheless
>>>     stories about how to do certain tasks, and stories do not make
>>>     decent documentation. I suppose this is a common conflict for
>>>     open source companies trying to sell consultancy, or to build a
>>>     partner ecosystem, if the documentation is too good then there
>>>     will be no need for consultants.
>>>
>>>     Anyway, great thread really, I actually think that the getting
>>>     out of control bit was probably a misunderstanding, at least as
>>>     far as I can tell re-reading the messages. It's great to know
>>>     that so many people care about the Order. Hopefully we can see a
>>>     bit more active participation as a result.
>>>
>>>     Have a great weekend
>>>
>>>     Martin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 21/05/15 09:59, Andreas Steffan wrote:
>>>>     Hallo everybody,
>>>>
>>>>     I can't help myself, but the CE looks pretty bad at
>>>>     https://www.alfresco.com/products/community-vs-alfresco-one to
>>>>     me (red all over the place).
>>>>
>>>>     Seriously: Imagine you are a somewhat clueless prospect on that
>>>>     page which reads " Ready to get started? Download the edition
>>>>     that is right for you.".
>>>>
>>>>     Would you want to give the CE a try?
>>>>
>>>>     regards
>>>>     Andreas
>>>>     -- 
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>>>>
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