[OOTB-hive] Wiki updates

Martin Cosgrave martin at ocretail.com
Fri May 22 22:07:35 BST 2015 

It's much worse now for newcomers, they are being definitively told that 
good information is bad. I don't know how you can think that that is an 
easier path for a newbie. It really is vandalism in my opinion.

On 22/05/15 22:00, Peter Monks wrote:
> G’day Mark,
>
> The best solution is what Richard said:
>
>     “clear that tag on good pages or mark the ones that need work but
>     should be kept.”
>
>
> This is an exercise virtually everyone in the community can 
> participate in, as it’s both low effort / expertise (was a page 
> useful? remove the tag!) and high value - over the long run it will 
> allow us (the inclusive “us”, not the divisive “us”…) to remove pages 
> that retained the tag - a kind of “Sieve of Esplinosthenes” if you 
> will.  ;-)
>
> And while clearly outdated pages are obvious to longstanding members 
> of the community, I suspect they were (prior to the tag) a significant 
> source of confusion for newcomers who don’t know what they don’t know 
> (yet).
>
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
>
>
>> On 2015-05-22, at 12:33 PM, Mark Stang <markjstang at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:markjstang at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I was a bit shocked to see all the wiki pages marked as Obsolete.  I 
>> asked an "Alfresco Insider" who informed me that:
>>
>> Richard marked every wiki page obsolete. He is hoping people will 
>> either clear that tag on good pages or mark the ones that need work 
>> but should be kept.
>>
>> I don't know if the CMIS stuff was moved to docs or not.
>>
>> Some of it is obviously out-of-date and has been for awhile.  The 
>> rest is still current AFAIK.  So, going forward, I am ignoring the 
>> warning.
>>
>> I am not sure what the best solution would be.
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Martin Cosgrave <martin at ocretail.com 
>> <mailto:martin at ocretail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     I've read the whole thread, except I started a few messages in,
>>     and the last thing I've done is to come back to the first post
>>     and actually look at the chart in question. I actually don't have
>>     a problem with it, as has been said you expect marketing types to
>>     do that, but at least there at the bottom is a clear download
>>     link to CE. I couldn't be more pleased that the two are presented
>>     together. I'm sure that everyone must have had experiences
>>     similar to mine of knowing that a product has an open source
>>     version, and struggling to find any mention of it until you find
>>     the tiny 'Community' link in dark brown on black at the bottom of
>>     the page.
>>
>>     There is certainly no harm in creating a counterpoint page, it
>>     could be quite tongue in cheek, maybe we can put a lot of red X's
>>     next to EE :-P
>>
>>     A quick side note about Honeycomb, there really is a lot of good
>>     stuff you guys could contribute, especially if you know puppet or
>>     a similar devops tool, but if not even just building it and
>>     commenting on or modifying the configurations we have chosen
>>     would be really useful. There are only two of us involved in it
>>     right now and I've been a bit busy starting a job and moving city
>>     in the last month or so. I just noticed it was mentioned a couple
>>     of times in the thread so I guess there is some value there and
>>     mindshare even if nobody's stepping forward.
>>
>>     It's a shame the thread spiralled out of control at the end
>>     there. At the beginning it was really constructive and it's
>>     definitely worth going back and looking over those bits :-) .
>>     However it's obvious there are strong feelings on both sides.
>>     Personally I feel very strongly that the vandalism to the wiki
>>     pages which marks all the useful community-oriented documentation
>>     as obsolete be reverted.
>>
>>     I thought Ainga's point that we could be more marketing oriented
>>     as bees was spot on. Perhaps he could step up to the mark on that
>>     one, as a bee who is also a CEO?
>>
>>     I like very much Heiko's idea for a common model registry,
>>     especially if he has some models to donate to it. What a great
>>     thing for OOTB to have, especially as the model system confuses
>>     newcomers to the product, both for CE and EE I am sure.
>>
>>     I really wish we could have a documentation project. To my mind
>>     there has never been any decent documentation for alfresco, and
>>     Jeff's noble efforts, which were amazing, were nonetheless
>>     stories about how to do certain tasks, and stories do not make
>>     decent documentation. I suppose this is a common conflict for
>>     open source companies trying to sell consultancy, or to build a
>>     partner ecosystem, if the documentation is too good then there
>>     will be no need for consultants.
>>
>>     Anyway, great thread really, I actually think that the getting
>>     out of control bit was probably a misunderstanding, at least as
>>     far as I can tell re-reading the messages. It's great to know
>>     that so many people care about the Order. Hopefully we can see a
>>     bit more active participation as a result.
>>
>>     Have a great weekend
>>
>>     Martin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     On 21/05/15 09:59, Andreas Steffan wrote:
>>>     Hallo everybody,
>>>
>>>     I can't help myself, but the CE looks pretty bad at
>>>     https://www.alfresco.com/products/community-vs-alfresco-one to
>>>     me (red all over the place).
>>>
>>>     Seriously: Imagine you are a somewhat clueless prospect on that
>>>     page which reads " Ready to get started? Download the edition
>>>     that is right for you.".
>>>
>>>     Would you want to give the CE a try?
>>>
>>>     regards
>>>     Andreas
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