[OOTB-hive] [GOV] Draft by-laws

Tahir Malik tahir.malik at contezza.nl
Thu Sep 4 21:27:47 BST 2014

I guess instead of letting only 33 or 50% vote. Just make their vote count for 33/50% so you wont have this issue.

So like 2 Alfresco employees vote count as much as 1 from the community.

Met vriendelijke groet,

Tahir Shazad Malik

-----Original Message-----
From: "Boriss Mejias" <tchorix at gmail.com>
Sent: ‎04/‎09/‎2014 22:25
To: "Richard Esplin" <richard.esplin at alfresco.com>
Cc: "ootb-hive at xtreamlab.net" <ootb-hive at xtreamlab.net>
Subject: Re: [OOTB-hive] [GOV] Draft by-laws

Hi bees,

We had a very nice and constructive discussion today in the channel, and Ole made a good summary of it. Here are my two cents about membership and voting:

1. Membership: I like the idea that we are going to accept membership of everyone who is willing to contribute. I don't see the Order of the Bee as the Hall of Fame of Community members that has already contributed, but I see it as the best place to make a contribution to the Alfresco community. That implies that we need to reward members who contribute more that others. One way is the voting mechanism.

2. Voting: If we allow the voting of Alfresco employees with a limited % of participation, we raise another issue. Let's say we limit their participation to 33%, and there are x Alfresco employees being members of the order. Let's say that those x members represent more than 33%. How are we going to decide which Alfresco employee can vote, and which one cannot? Maybe they will have to organize themselves to decide who uses the available "seats". If they do that, the members holding a seat will be the "representatives" of the Alfresco employees in the order, and in a way, representatives of Alfresco Inc. And there it goes our statement of independent organization.

Something else, the amount of voting members will vary over time, meaning that we will need to ask the Alfresco employees to select new representatives, or drop some. I think it complicates the overall thing. Hence, we need to decide whether every Alfresco employee can vote or not. In such case, I prefer that they can't vote to avoid problems, and also to protect them from the opinion Alfresco Inc can have on them: "Oh, so you voted on something for the order that is actually bad for the company!"

Regarding voting within a committee, it's also complicated, because the work on the committees is crucial for the overall result of the order. Also, everyone can participate in the discussions and proposals for solutions. Voting is only we can't get an agreement. I would say that Alfresco employees are free from any responsibility of voting, to guarantee the independence of the order, and to prevent them from having issues with Alfresco Inc.

3. How do we reward Alfresco employees if they can't vote. We need to have a sort of public acknowledgement of contributors, independent of the voting system. Being publicly acknowledge will probably work better as a motivator than getting voting rights/responsibilities.

That's my opinion


aka Bee Mejias

On 4 September 2014 20:33, Richard Esplin <richard.esplin at alfresco.com> wrote:

I think this is a very useful perspective on the role of the Order, and I am
persuaded. The Order is an organization of contributors, and draws its
membership from the larger Alfresco community.


On Thursday, September 04, 2014 17:46:37 Ole Hejlskov wrote:

> It’s nice to have a big and cosy community, but the idea of the order is to
> coordinate the efforts of the community. If you don’t plan on contributing
> then you’re not a member. If you’re working with Alfresco and just want to
> hang out with people, well we already have a place for this, and it’s the
> Alfresco Community (forums, IRC etc), and all the bees are already there.
> The order is not a replacement for the Alfresco Community, it’s an addition
> to coordinate efforts. OOTB is not the place you go to ask your questions
> about installing Alfresco. Go to the community, we’ll still help you out.
> If you like our work and want to show your support? Follow us on twitter,
> buy some t-shirts, beers etc.


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